"HCG monotherapy" – I tried it so you didn't have to!

Calm Logic said:


Similarly:

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin monotherapy for the treatment of hypogonadal symptoms in men with total testosterone > 300 ng/dL

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https://www.thinksteroids.com/commu...y-help-for-first-timer.134429545/post-3478171

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Not sure about the point of the thread you linked.

50% of patients self-reporting improvements isn't a big deal, not to mention that improvements might be more marked early on before aromatization catches up.

There's a reason that HCG is rarely considered in a vacuum outside of fertility treatments. It's much better at boosting estrogen than it is at boosting testosterone. It creates intratesticular testosterone which is available for aromatization.

I'm not saying that it can't be used as a therapy; I'm trying to tell the average user, browsing this forum looking for the quick peptide fix to make them motivated again like they were in their twenties, that they should look elsewhere.

Testosterone injections are the safest and most efficacious way to boost testosterone. If fertility is a major concern, then look elsewhere – but thanks to ancillaries like HCG, fertility isn't the concern that it once was and users of exogenous test ate able to concieve without even hopping off.

HCG is useful but it isn't what most of us are looking for.
 
5byfive said:


There are a lot of things that could be causing you issues. Without having a baseline to work off of its all guess work and you could inadvertently make things worse. Sounds like you have figured that out and I'll be interested to see the results.

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Yep, this is absolutely it. Hormones always struck me as too complicated, but now between cheap blood work and AI to educate, there's really no excuse not to take control of things.

I'll definitely be making more threads in this subcategory as I figure stuff out.

However, I do stand by what I said here: HCG monotherapy is not the answer for men who want to boost their testosterone but are hesitant toward TRT. If you're going to do bloods and put in the work, fine, but for those like me who want a quick fix injection, this isn't it and you're better off with boron in the morning and zinc at night.
 
BlueDog55 said:


A little off topic but still kinda on topic...lol!

Do you guys know if Enclomiphene is helpfull when you are already on test?

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Why in the world would you want to use enclo while on test? Just up the test dose if you need more of a boost, or run HCG every few months if you want to maintain fertility.

It seems to be possible but ill advised
 
birdwhacker said:


Why in the world would you want to use enclo while on test? Just up the test dose if you need more of a boost, or run HCG every few months if you want to maintain fertility.

It seems to be possible but ill advised

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Thats why I asked... Thanks
 
I'm not even going to try to explain to you that you're making a connerie. You're too sure of yourself, and you won't change your mind.

I’m addressing the other readers of this forum.

My source is Dr. Thierry Hertoghe, one of the world’s leading experts on hormone therapy (you’ll likely find that there are two major academic societies in this field, and they’re constantly criticizing each other).

His approach, of course, is to start by measuring everything that can be measured (using the most accurate methods; for example, thyroid hormones are measured over a 24h period, not just with a standard blood test, because that doesn't reveal the full picture).

His position as a practitioner: never prescribe a single sexual hormone alone. Always balance it with at least one other, or better, up to three. An experienced practitioner may even go beyond ten hormones to better achieve overall equilibrium.

You can find all the documented information on his online medical school or in his books (the ones for Doctors, which are thick enough to lift a car, not the books for the general public).

When I was taking DHEA+Pregnenolone, he explained to me that the appearance of acne means the dose is too high; it needs to be adjusted if it persists or spreads.
 
eidos said:


His position as a practitioner: never prescribe a single sexual hormone alone. Always balance it with at least one other, or better, up to three. An experienced practitioner may even go beyond ten hormones to better achieve overall equilibrium.

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It sounds like you would agree that HCG monotherapy is a bust...
 
Arguably, most of us don't need a testosterone boost anyway. I am happy with my normal testosterone level, using just reta now. Formerly hypogonadal before losing 50+ pounds.
 
Using high doses every day will naturally throw your hormones out of balance. The ideal approach is to use a moderate dose over the long term rather than expecting results overnight.
 
jamesprt said:


Using high doses every day will naturally throw your hormones out of balance. The ideal approach is to use a moderate dose over the long term rather than expecting results overnight.

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The ideal approach to what, exactly?

Because fertility doctors will prescribe doses of 3000iu or more two or three times a week.

200iu a day is very close to what the body does naturally, with a little boost. It also mimics the natural rhythm of your body, unlike spacing doses out which leads to more aromatizing.

400iu EOD isn't much different, still pretty close to 1400iu a week which is a totally normal dose.

250iu 3x a week is generally considered to be maintainence for keeping the testes active.

Does your experience say otherwise?
 
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