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So I have a designated doctor from the Digital weight loss clinic I use and I like the fact that I have someone to talk to with questions and someone to help me with blood tests and such. Now that I'm going gray should I do using the service or just continue but not using the prescriptions written. Will he look and see that I'm not using them? Does it matter if he does?
 
JohannesSweden77 said:


So I have a designated doctor from the Digital weight loss clinic I use and I like the fact that I have someone to talk to with questions and someone to help me with blood tests and such. Now that I'm going gray should I do using the service or just continue but not using the prescriptions written. Will he look and see that I'm not using them? Does it matter if he does?

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IMO: If it's a doctor you can trust, tell them. If not, look for a doctor you can trust.

Doctors are used to people smoking weed, drinking till they drop,...
 
Ideally you want a local doctor you can see in person if needed, and ideally who you can trust and will still treat you like an adult even if they do not approve of using grey peptides, if I had to guess the service you are using is not likely to offer that. No idea about Sweeden's health system, people in the US are very concerned about telling their doctors anything in case it gets back to health insurance companies that could use that information to deny coverage. Sweeden in general has a reputation for high levels of social welfare, so presumably it has publicly funded medical services?

If you like the doctor you are dealing with then hopefully he won't care, depends a bit on what the service is, is it part of a telehealth setup for compounded glp's? , most of those services are all about making money off the compounded drugs, so that might be an issue. If it is an independent clinical service ( not set up to make money off the drugs ) it should be fine.
 
lessthanhalf said:


Ideally you want a local doctor you can see in person if needed, and ideally who you can trust and will still treat you like an adult even if they do not approve of using grey peptides, if I had to guess the service you are using is not likely to offer that. No idea about Sweeden's health system, people in the US are very concerned about telling their doctors anything in case it gets back to health insurance companies that could use that information to deny coverage. Sweeden in general has a reputation for high levels of social welfare, so presumably it has publicly funded medical services?

If you like the doctor you are dealing with then hopefully he won't care, depends a bit on what the service is, is it part of a telehealth setup for compounded glp's? , most of those services are all about making money off the compounded drugs, so that might be an issue. If it is an independent clinical service ( not set up to make money off the drugs ) it should be fine.

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Yes this is a digital doctor. No idea where he is situated but I like him though. I guess they're part of big pharma because I don't pay them anything just the prescription so they need to make money somehow. In thing they're like funded by the government also to some degree. There's no insurance at all when it comes to these "drugs" so it is all out of your own pocket.
 
I have a prescription for Mounjaro, and I've been using KwikPens for six months. I'm still following that prescription. Switching to Tirz from Shanghai is just 20 times cheaper. I feel like I'm more unfaithful to my pharmacist.

I just realized that it's like switching from Heineken to Tsingtao!
 
I don't know how things work in your country, but they probably are obligated to keep records of these things. I'd hate to be in a situation in the future where I was denied medical treatment because my record reflected that I deviated from the doctor's orders. "We're not going to treat this patient's cancer as aggressively since he has a tendency to inject himself with unapproved, possibly-carcinogenic substances."
 
I told my doctor that I am getting compound from a telehealth service so I do not need the prescription any more. He said he is fine with it and he has other patients also doing that.
 
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I don't know how things work in your country, but they probably are obligated to keep records of these things. I'd hate to be in a situation in the future where I was denied medical treatment because my record reflected that I deviated from the doctor's orders. "We're not going to treat this patient's cancer as aggressively since he has a tendency to inject himself with unapproved, possibly-carcinogenic substances."

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All the EU countries keep health records but as far as I know they do not affect eligibility for medical treatment. Where I live, even smokers get cancer treatment.
 
BBA1969 said:


All the EU countries keep health records but as far as I know they do not affect eligibility for medical treatment. Where I live, even smokers get cancer treatment.

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Yeah you're right there. Nothing will affect eligibility here either I just don't know what would happen if they see I never use the prescriptions they write me. But I'll just quit the program and do it myself and the help I get here. I can pay for my blood test it's still a 100 times cheaper than paying for the prescribed peptides.
 
JohannesSweden77 said:


Yeah you're right there. Nothing will affect eligibility here either I just don't know what would happen if they see I never use the prescriptions they write me. But I'll just quit the program and do it myself and the help I get here. I can pay for my blood test it's still a 100 times cheaper than paying for the prescribed peptides.

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I did exactly the same thing. At first my doctor was very impressed with the sustained weightloss after I stopped using my Mounjaro prescriptions.

Since he's not an idiot, he probably knows what's going on 🧐
 
If you like them, I'd stick with them and just let them know you're going to continue with the meds, but from a different source.

Not sure how the healthcare system works in Sweden, but (an anecdotal example from the U.S.)...I had a specialist who refused to prescribe medicine A unless I took medicine B which gave me horrible side effects and no benefits so I stopped taking it. My grad school program overlapped several courses with Med School, so I've had some pharmacology and knew that her reasoning behind me taking medicine B was BS. Her office was COVERED in swag from the Big pharma company that manufactured med B...I knew what was up: she was getting kickbacks for prescribing medicine B. However, she only found out I wasn't taking med B when my blood tests came back negative for it. (I've dumped her as soon as I was able to as she was shady seven ways 'til Sunday.)

I'm sure with modern healthcare tracking, people who need to know can find out what you're taking via insurance, doc and pharmacy records, but good doctors care more about your health than where you're getting meds.
 
HouseCat said:


If you like them, I'd stick with them and just let them know you're going to continue with the meds, but from a different source.

Not sure how the healthcare system works in Sweden, but (an anecdotal example from the U.S.)...I had a specialist who refused to prescribe medicine A unless I took medicine B which gave me horrible side effects and no benefits so I stopped taking it. My grad school program overlapped several courses with Med School, so I've had some pharmacology and knew that her reasoning behind me taking medicine B was BS. Her office was COVERED in swag from the Big pharma company that manufactured med B...I knew what was up: she was getting kickbacks for prescribing medicine B. However, she only found out I wasn't taking med B when my blood tests came back negative for it. (I've dumped her as soon as I was able to as she was shady seven ways 'til Sunday.)

I'm sure with modern healthcare tracking, people who need to know can find out what you're taking via insurance, doc and pharmacy records, but good doctors care more about your health than where you're getting meds.

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Here's in short how the Swedish healthcare system works:

The Swedish healthcare system is publicly funded, universal, and highly decentralized. It is built on the principle that everyone living in Sweden has equal access to high-quality medical care, regardless of their income or background.

High-Cost Protection (Högkostnadsskydd)

To prevent healthcare costs from becoming a financial burden, Sweden uses a safety net called högkostnadsskydd. This acts as a strict annual cap on what you have to pay out of pocket within a rolling 12-month period.

This text was made by artificial intelligence sure but my tiny human brain couldn't explain it any clearer.
 
BBA1969 said:


All the EU countries keep health records but as far as I know they do not affect eligibility for medical treatment. Where I live, even smokers get cancer treatment.

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Possibly. But it wouldn't surprise me if your past use of unapproved substances makes you a better candidate for assisted suicide in their eyes.
 
FartfulCodger said:


Possibly. But it wouldn't surprise me if your past use of unapproved substances makes you a better candidate for assisted suicide in their eyes.

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It might. Euthanasia is well regulated in all of the BeNeLux and Spain. I hope I won't need it but I'm glad the option exists.
 
JohannesSweden77 said:


Here's in short how the Swedish healthcare system works:

The Swedish healthcare system is publicly funded, universal, and highly decentralized. It is built on the principle that everyone living in Sweden has equal access to high-quality medical care, regardless of their income or background.

High-Cost Protection (Högkostnadsskydd)

To prevent healthcare costs from becoming a financial burden, Sweden uses a safety net called högkostnadsskydd. This acts as a strict annual cap on what you have to pay out of pocket within a rolling 12-month period.

This text was made by artificial intelligence sure but my tiny human brain couldn't explain it any clearer.

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Thanks for that concise explanation-no shade that you had to get help making it succinct!

If I could make the US healthcare succinct: pay a lot, get a lot of denials, maybe win the lottery with your doc and healthcare, maybe go into medical bankruptcy. 🤣😭
 
I would worry less about talking to a boutique (pay out of pocket doctor) rather than a primary care or one that is using insurance. The more health spa type crowd usually has more of an incentive to do what you want. Your mileage may vary.
 
JohannesSweden77 said:


Here's in short how the Swedish healthcare system works:

The Swedish healthcare system is publicly funded, universal, and highly decentralized. It is built on the principle that everyone living in Sweden has equal access to high-quality medical care, regardless of their income or background.

High-Cost Protection (Högkostnadsskydd)

To prevent healthcare costs from becoming a financial burden, Sweden uses a safety net called högkostnadsskydd. This acts as a strict annual cap on what you have to pay out of pocket within a rolling 12-month period.

This text was made by artificial intelligence sure but my tiny human brain couldn't explain it any clearer.

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Does that mean that Mounjaro is reimbursed in Sweden for obesity ? Is it free or do you have a reimbursed price reduction and you have a co-pay out of pocket? Or are you paying the full price? If it’s not reimbursed and you are paying the full price how would the doctor have the record of your script being picked up from the pharmacy? If it’s reimbursed fully then why go to grey if not for the price difference ? Original Mounjaro is the best (quality, sterility, strength, etc.) I’m asking because I live in the EU as well (Romania) and Mounjaro is NOT reimbursed, the doctor fills a simple prescription script…no records from pharmacy of what I’m taking or if I’m taking anything at all.. if this is the case, and I were you I’d just tell them I’m taking Mounjaro (while secretly taking grey tirz).
 
wheymaster1 said:


Does that mean that Mounjaro is reimbursed in Sweden for obesity ? Is it free or do you have a reimbursed price reduction and you have a co-pay out of pocket? Or are you paying the full price? If it’s not reimbursed and you are paying the full price how would the doctor have the record of your script being picked up from the pharmacy? If it’s reimbursed fully then why go to grey if not for the price difference ? Original Mounjaro is the best (quality, sterility, strength, etc.) I’m asking because I live in the EU as well (Romania) and Mounjaro is NOT reimbursed, the doctor fills a simple prescription script…no records from pharmacy of what I’m taking or if I’m taking anything at all.. if this is the case, and I were you I’d just tell them I’m taking Mounjaro (while secretly taking grey tirz).

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Nope. You pay 100% yourself here to.
 
FartfulCodger said:


I don't know how things work in your country, but they probably are obligated to keep records of these things. I'd hate to be in a situation in the future where I was denied medical treatment because my record reflected that I deviated from the doctor's orders. "We're not going to treat this patient's cancer as aggressively since he has a tendency to inject himself with unapproved, possibly-carcinogenic substances."

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yes, I keep this info close to my chest.

I dont trust my insurance i get through work to be cool with it, not at all.
 
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