Starting a run of HGH

TacoLifter420 said:


This is what im currently taking

Testosterone cypionate: 200 mg/week, daily microinjections

Human Growth Hormone (HGH): 1 IU nightly

Telmisartan: 40 mg daily

Tadalafil: 5 mg daily

Reta 5mg weekly

Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12): 1,000 mcg subcutaneous injection once weekly

Supplements:

Daily

Vitamin D3: 5,000 IU

Vitamin C: 500 mg

Magnesium glycinate: 500 mg (nightly)

Omega-3 fish oil: ~1,440 mg combined EPA + DHA

Vitamin K2: 100 mcg

Beetroot extract: 1,000 mg

CoQ10 (ubiquinol): 200 mg

Calcium D-glucarate: 1,200 mg

Every Other Day

Glutathione: 200 mg

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What is 1iu of HGH doing for you? Serious question. Has there been a measurable difference in you IGF levels?
 
Diamondd817 said:


What is 1iu of HGH doing for you? Serious question. Has there been a measurable difference in you IGF levels?

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Probably not much, I'm only doing that for 1 week before going to 2. My thought was to ease into it and let my body adjust to lessen the chance of sides.

After 5 weeks or so at 2iu, ill check my igf1 and z score again.

Natty it was .4 z score and 169 igf1 if I remember correctly.
 
brah389 said:


I need to get my grubby little dick beaters on some hgh, just got my blood work back and im ready to jump in this with you all!

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You and me both. $800 minimum is steep though.
 
Im almost at the point where I will suspend most peptides and just run my Trinity stack for 6 months.

Tirz 18mg. Weekly

Test 200mg weekly (EOD)

HGH 3iu daily ( just got 5 kits)
 
Sector said:


Jardiance is great, I agree

But “hgh induced kidney damage”, what are you even saying man?

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Apologies, this was worded poorly. I did not mean to say GH is directly kidney damaging. I was referring to the fact that HGH can cause fluid (sodium) retention, increased blood pressure, and renal hyperfiltration (making the kidneys work overtime). Over time, this extra stress isn't ideal. Empagliflozin lowers intraglomerular pressure and reduces that fluid burden, helping to offset the stress and protect kidney function. The longevity benefits to Empa very profound and interesting.

Though this is probably not a problem for most of our cohort, running low HGH doses.
 
chewonmysac said:


Im almost at the point where I will suspend most peptides and just run my Trinity stack for 6 months.

Tirz 18mg. Weekly

Test 200mg weekly (EOD)

HGH 3iu daily ( just got 5 kits)

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Is the a reason you use Tirz instead of reta? Also so you use anything like Empagliflozin or alike?
 
Wenjo said:


Is the a reason you use Tirz instead of reta? Also so you use anything like Empagliflozin or alike?

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Down 38% total weight on Tirz in 14 months. It was enough. I have a couple of Kits of Reta as a back up that I never needed. Might never need. No on the Empagliflozin as of yet. Get blood work done every 60 days. Lift like a savage.
 
TacoLifter420 said:


You need to get in on one of the reliable group buys. You can order single kits without the 800 moq.

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Operative word 'reliable'. After recent events, is this still possible? Maybe in a couple months
 
timj382 said:


That sucks. Sorry to hear, man. How long had you been on HGH. Lobster? And if you don't mind telling, what dose were you at and how long had you been on that dose? Hope it clears up fast!

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Only about a month, just 1.5 iu daily, lobster gh. But like I said I don't think its the gh that im reacting too.
 
Initially, the change in weight is definitely due to water retention.

My advice for the start is to begin with a 2 mg dose and gradually increase it month by month; after four and a half months of HGH, I’m currently at 3 mg and very, very happy with the synergy with retatrutide.
 
Tbagger said:


Not at all. I'm sure some people will do EOD for money savings, but most do it because it mitigates CTS, edema, and other sides. It allows for a larger bolus dose to increase igf1 levels higher than a smaller daily dose can achieve. Those higher levels last for approx. 48 hours so an EOD is perfect for extra growth. This protocol is mostly used by bodybuilders who are sensitive to sides but want higher igf1 levels than their max daily dose will allow. Like myself, anything above 3iu and I can't move my elbows due to crippling arthralgia. But I just stick to 2.5iu rather than a higher EOD because I like the fat loss aspect more than strictly high igf1 levels. That's because it doesn't work well for a weight loss protocol as the lipolytic effect doesn't last as long as the increased igf1. So I prioritize the fat loss over the extra growth.

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This is an awesome post, as it’s something I’ve wondered about. Although daily administration is the norm, studies suggest EOD administration can be effective as well.

This same question comes up in the secretogoblin debate. Sure, you can use a 5-on/2-off schedule and still get results, but your cumulative GH/IGF-1 exposure will presumably be lower than with daily administration.

My question has always revolved around lipolysis. My understanding is that much of the acute lipolytic effect is driven by the GH response itself. So on days you don’t administer GH, or tesamorelin, for that matter, you’re missing that additional GH-driven lipolytic stimulus, even though endogenous GH secretion and baseline lipolysis obviously continue.

Therefore, if fat loss is the primary goal, it would seem that daily administration would make more sense than intentionally taking days off.
 
Sootyaba said:


Some great reading here with bags of info. Iv been reading the benefits of 5mg tadafil for a while now especially pre workout.I think I’m a bit late to the party with GH game and seems it’s dead in the water in grey areas Iv looked

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Keep looking there are many vendors carrying it. You can even find vendors in the vendors area on this forum that have it.
 
IronCircuit said:


This is an awesome post, as it’s something I’ve wondered about. Although daily administration is the norm, studies suggest EOD administration can be effective as well.

This same question comes up in the secretogoblin debate. Sure, you can use a 5-on/2-off schedule and still get results, but your cumulative GH/IGF-1 exposure will presumably be lower than with daily administration.

My question has always revolved around lipolysis. My understanding is that much of the acute lipolytic effect is driven by the GH response itself. So on days you don’t administer GH, or tesamorelin, for that matter, you’re missing that additional GH-driven lipolytic stimulus, even though endogenous GH secretion and baseline lipolysis obviously continue.

Therefore, if fat loss is the primary goal, it would seem that daily administration would make more sense than intentionally taking days off.

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Here is one data point. I think the point is if you miss a day randomly, oh well, because there actually protocols suggesting that. I prefer every day but found it negligible if missed a day because out at a late dinner, then crash when home, for example.
 
Here’s a recommendation: with the long-acting version, I find I have to eat dinner too early to avoid going to bed with a full stomach, which is often impossible for me. I wake up very early—around 5:00 or 6:00 AM—and administer the injection intramuscularly then; this ensures the peak occurs after an hour and a half, maximizing the fat-loss effect. I lift weights at 7:00 AM, and then, around 7:40 AM, I do LISS training (low-intensity cardio at 120 bpm) for at least 30 minutes.

With this protocol, I’ve noticed significantly more fat loss compared to the nighttime injection method, even with the same caloric intake.

Another thing to note is that I don't eat my post-workout meal until at least 10:00 or 11:00 AM; I’ve read studies showing that the post-workout metabolic window actually extends for several hours, rather than lasting just the half-hour people commonly believe.
 
TacoLifter420 said:


The more I've thought about it I think its the reta. I remember about the 2 or 3rd dose my scalp started to get itchy. I didnt pay much attention then, but more and more it think thats the cause. Thankfully it's almost completely run its course. Ill wait another week or so and then start the HGH again.

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Went to the doc this morning. Looks like this is most likely from the resort hot tub i went in. nothing to do with peps or GH.
 
randombetrayal said:


Well that is good news on one front... maybe bad news if you think what may have been in the water of the resort hot tub😕

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Not sure, but it's for damn sure the last resort hot tub I ever go in.
 
TacoLifter420 said:


Not sure, but it's for damn sure the last resort hot tub I ever go in.

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It may have been loaded with over 10ppm hypochlorite (liquid pool chlorine)-

or recently shocked.

This could cause flaking and other skin irritations.

Hot tubs are bacterial breeding grounds, perfect temp and lots of skin exposure.

Commercial hot tubs (public spas) require a free chlorine residual level of 3 to 10 ppm (parts per million), with standard operational targets generally maintained between 5.0 and 8.0 ppm depending on bather load and local health codes. [1, 2, 3]

Hypochlorite sources—most commonly sodium hypochlorite (liquid chlorine) or calcium hypochlorite (granular)—are dosed to sustain these active hypochlorous acid leve

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