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Curious observance was hoping to get some opinions and thoughts on. Apologies if this is not the right section.

So I obtained Reta30 from 2 separate sources, will not name names, but source A was dosed at 2mg with expected affects and sides. Received from source B and tried next vial from this kit. Same dose but no perceived physical affects. Pushed back on B a bit, and sent sample for 3p testing. Results are in at 99.8 purity and 104% fill.

Could the perceived lack of affects be some sort of placebo affect? Or what else might cause it?
 
Cafetero1108 said:


Curious observance was hoping to get some opinions and thoughts on. Apologies if this is not the right section.

So I obtained Reta30 from 2 separate sources, will not name names, but source A was dosed at 2mg with expected affects and sides. Received from source B and tried next vial from this kit. Same dose but no perceived physical affects. Pushed back on B a bit, and sent sample for 3p testing. Results are in at 99.8 purity and 104% fill.

Could the perceived lack of affects be some sort of placebo affect? Or what else might cause it?

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Probably just your body getting used to it
 
Cafetero1108 said:


Curious observance was hoping to get some opinions and thoughts on. Apologies if this is not the right section.

So I obtained Reta30 from 2 separate sources, will not name names, but source A was dosed at 2mg with expected affects and sides. Received from source B and tried next vial from this kit. Same dose but no perceived physical affects. Pushed back on B a bit, and sent sample for 3p testing. Results are in at 99.8 purity and 104% fill.

Could the perceived lack of affects be some sort of placebo affect? Or what else might cause it?

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Huh? Effects?
 
Cafetero1108 said:


Curious observance was hoping to get some opinions and thoughts on. Apologies if this is not the right section.

So I obtained Reta30 from 2 separate sources, will not name names, but source A was dosed at 2mg with expected affects and sides. Received from source B and tried next vial from this kit. Same dose but no perceived physical affects. Pushed back on B a bit, and sent sample for 3p testing. Results are in at 99.8 purity and 104% fill.

Could the perceived lack of affects be some sort of placebo affect? Or what else might cause it?

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I just went through this recently. My first vendor's reta worked better. The 2nd one I got from a different vendor isn't as good with appetite suppression. I just got a new kit from a third vendor and as soon as my current vial is done I am going to start using this new batch and save the 2nd one for when I am farther into maintenence.
 
Your body has probably just adjusted to that dose. Up your dose from 2mg on the one you didn’t feel was working and see where you’re at. Regardless, testing came back fine so not much to worry about.
 
I was in a group testing where (pre testing) one of the members kept complaining that the pep didn't 'feel' right, and he was hungry, and whatever...I told him it hits pretty darn good for me, but he was sure it was "bunk"...meh, I go through that from time to time where I have more hunger than the day before or whatever...But that's just how it rolls...the pep tested 99.8% and 32mg...on a 30mg pep...
 
Gosh, I think I’d stick with the same sourced compound for a few months before trying something else. Otherwise you might go online asking people if one of your unnamed sources is better than the other unnamed source without a good sample size for either. /sarcasm

Seriously, so many variables could contribute to lack of effects. Switching back and forth is the best way to get nowhere
 
I think your guess about placebo effects might be correct. There is no guarantee you will get any effects or side effects from 2mg of reta. Some people definitely will, but not everyone, and some would have hardly any response to higher doses, but at 2mg reactions are almost as likely to be placebo effects as drug effects, and everyone has expectations as to what they think the drug might do, which is why the poor placebo recipients in the trials still get a lot of side effects. Most likely unless you are very insensitive to reta, responses like being less hungry or nauseous will get much more obvious at higher doses. If the batch has been tested then apart from that vial somehow being from a different batch it almost has to be some sort of expectation effect if the drug has been verified to be present at the right dose. Maybe the second lot you tried looked a bit dodgier , or was a lot cheaper, and you were more skeptical of it working so you had reduced expectations of it?
 
sheilarae74 said:


I just went through this recently. My first vendor's reta worked better. The 2nd one I got from a different vendor isn't as good with appetite suppression. I just got a new kit from a third vendor and as soon as my current vial is done I am going to start using this new batch and save the 2nd one for when I am farther into maintenence.

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That’s a good idea, I’m going to follow suit and save it for the maintenance phase
 
lessthanhalf said:


I think your guess about placebo effects might be correct. There is no guarantee you will get any effects or side effects from 2mg of reta. Some people definitely will, but not everyone, and some would have hardly any response to higher doses, but at 2mg reactions are almost as likely to be placebo effects as drug effects, and everyone has expectations as to what they think the drug might do, which is why the poor placebo recipients in the trials still get a lot of side effects. Most likely unless you are very insensitive to reta, responses like being less hungry or nauseous will get much more obvious at higher doses. If the batch has been tested then apart from that vial somehow being from a different batch it almost has to be some sort of expectation effect if the drug has been verified to be present at the right dose. Maybe the second lot you tried looked a bit dodgier , or was a lot cheaper, and you were more skeptical of it working so you had reduced expectations of it?

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It was better priced, but mixed reviews here and online. Quicker turn around due to warehouse location, and some strange visible issues with stopper. Typing this out makes me believe it was a placebo like scenario. Appreciate the response!
 
Shittersfull said:


Any of the above could be correct. Also maybe your first vial was seriously overfill? The placebo effect can be a very real thing.

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Even a 5mg over fill isn't anything to serious. I see he mentions 104% fill, that's 2mg.

Let me tell you, I've tried a bunch of different brands of Reta. You might not understand this, but I have one that just hits hard and one that is just so smooth. I can feel the difference, but I've worked up to 10mg from 2mg, 2mg at a time for 4-7 weeks at each.

OP @Cafetero1108 was there testing from vials A, and did you buy both in kits, or single vial. Same amount of BAC in each, and how much?
 
BNLFL said:


Even a 5mg over fill isn't anything to serious. I see he mentions 104% fill, that's 2mg.

Let me tell you, I've tried a bunch of different brands of Reta. You might not understand this, but I have one that just hits hard and one that is just so smooth. I can feel the difference, but I've worked up to 10mg from 2mg, 2mg at a time for 4-7 weeks at each.

OP @Cafetero1108 was there testing from vials A, and did you buy both in kits, or single vial. Same amount of BAC in each, and how much?

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Not my own testing on vial A. In hindsight and for science I should have done both. I always take the COAs with a grain of salt which is why I’m either going to start testing my own, or go the GB route.

But yes same 1ml BAC recon for both.
 
Shittersfull said:


Any of the above could be correct. Also maybe your first vial was seriously overfill? The placebo effect can be a very real thing.

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Placebo effect is very real I remember reading a post about someone who never took the cap off his auto pen and didn't realize, thought he felt all these great effects for a week then the next week realized he just hit him self in the gut with a piece of plastic and didn't inject anything at all. I also read a person talking about the sever anhedonia they had from 1.5 mg of Reta and it's hard to believe at less than the phase 3 starter dose he's having that much of a side effect from the drug and it isn't a placebo effect
 
BNLFL said:


Why only 1ml BAC? When I was on R30, I used 3ml, and that gives you a 20unit shot for your 2mg pin.

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Force of habit, I recon all my peps in 1ml except GHK and just math. Not as precise, but the fills never are either. I always found I experience less itch or ISR with smaller volume pins
 
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